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		<title>By: M.Husayn</title>
		<link>http://irshaad.net/2007/06/07/seven-earths-seven-heavens/#comment-1108</link>
		<author>M.Husayn</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 14:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Dear Friend,
            Many thanks for your post. I would appreciate a link to where one can purchase Hamid Parsania's book. I have read two chaptres from the book that were serialized in Islam and Science Journal. BarakAllah.
Mohamed Husayn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Friend,<br />
            Many thanks for your post. I would appreciate a link to where one can purchase Hamid Parsania&#8217;s book. I have read two chaptres from the book that were serialized in Islam and Science Journal. BarakAllah.<br />
Mohamed Husayn</p>
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		<title>By: Irshaad</title>
		<link>http://irshaad.net/2007/06/07/seven-earths-seven-heavens/#comment-1140</link>
		<author>Irshaad</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 14:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Salaam alaikum Mohamed,

For information on obtaining Existence and the Fall by Hamid Parsania see my June 10th &lt;a href="http://irshaad.net/2007/06/10/existence-and-the-fall-by-hamid-parsania/" rel="nofollow"&gt;post&lt;/a&gt;.

Wasalaam,

Irshaad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salaam alaikum Mohamed,</p>
<p>For information on obtaining Existence and the Fall by Hamid Parsania see my June 10th <a href="http://irshaad.net/2007/06/10/existence-and-the-fall-by-hamid-parsania/" rel="nofollow">post</a>.</p>
<p>Wasalaam,</p>
<p>Irshaad</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://irshaad.net/2007/06/07/seven-earths-seven-heavens/#comment-1641</link>
		<author>anonymous</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 19:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>can u plz help me on the 7 skys.i need to know which of our prophets were on them and why were they there.i need the information by thursday because ive got a essay in my mosque.plz could you send the info to my e-mail address.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can u plz help me on the 7 skys.i need to know which of our prophets were on them and why were they there.i need the information by thursday because ive got a essay in my mosque.plz could you send the info to my e-mail address.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
		<link>http://irshaad.net/2007/06/07/seven-earths-seven-heavens/#comment-71628</link>
		<author>Ahmed</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I think this has been explained further by Attar and Baha'u'llah in his book The Seven Valleys. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Valleys) 

Any thoughts on that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this has been explained further by Attar and Baha&#8217;u'llah in his book The Seven Valleys. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Valleys) </p>
<p>Any thoughts on that?</p>
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		<title>By: Irshaad</title>
		<link>http://irshaad.net/2007/06/07/seven-earths-seven-heavens/#comment-72212</link>
		<author>Irshaad</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Salaam alaikum Ahmed,

Thanks for your comment.

Avicenna's visionary recitals and Shurawardi's metaphysics also delve deeply into this subject. As well, Najm Kobra, Semnani, Lahiji, Shabestari and many others have commented extensively on the congruences between man's inner nature and the spiritual geography of seven heavens recorded in the Qur'an and in the statements of the Imams. Often, this is portrayed in terms of very detailed and specific visionary experiences described in terms of the seven prophets of one's being, or seven realms of light, or seven valleys representing spiritual states and metaphysical realms. There is a very vibrant, rich, and fascinating literature available on this subject - one which, I am sure Baha'u'llah would have been aware of, although he has a tendency to write in generalities rather than in the comprehensive and thoroughly elaborated manner of these earlier authors.

Baha'u'llah is describing in a summary form one version of the inner states of the seeker in terms of a journey through seven valleys. The book "Existence and the Fall" however, touches this subject in terms of attempting to clarify the metaphysical geography, the multi-layered hierarchical terrain, the layered structure of reality spoken of in the Qur'an and commented upon by so many generations of scholars and visionary seekers. 

I would recommend reading as many of the above mentioned authors as possible if for no other reason than to gain an appreciation for the depth and breadth of metaphysical commentary available in the Islamic tradition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salaam alaikum Ahmed,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment.</p>
<p>Avicenna&#8217;s visionary recitals and Shurawardi&#8217;s metaphysics also delve deeply into this subject. As well, Najm Kobra, Semnani, Lahiji, Shabestari and many others have commented extensively on the congruences between man&#8217;s inner nature and the spiritual geography of seven heavens recorded in the Qur&#8217;an and in the statements of the Imams. Often, this is portrayed in terms of very detailed and specific visionary experiences described in terms of the seven prophets of one&#8217;s being, or seven realms of light, or seven valleys representing spiritual states and metaphysical realms. There is a very vibrant, rich, and fascinating literature available on this subject - one which, I am sure Baha&#8217;u'llah would have been aware of, although he has a tendency to write in generalities rather than in the comprehensive and thoroughly elaborated manner of these earlier authors.</p>
<p>Baha&#8217;u'llah is describing in a summary form one version of the inner states of the seeker in terms of a journey through seven valleys. The book &#8220;Existence and the Fall&#8221; however, touches this subject in terms of attempting to clarify the metaphysical geography, the multi-layered hierarchical terrain, the layered structure of reality spoken of in the Qur&#8217;an and commented upon by so many generations of scholars and visionary seekers. </p>
<p>I would recommend reading as many of the above mentioned authors as possible if for no other reason than to gain an appreciation for the depth and breadth of metaphysical commentary available in the Islamic tradition.</p>
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		<title>By: Proving the existence of Allah (swt) to an atheist - Page 15 - Religious Education Forum</title>
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		<author>Proving the existence of Allah (swt) to an atheist - Page 15 - Religious Education Forum</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] are some tidbits about the seven heavens according to Islamic tradition:  What about Seven Heavens? Islam 101 - seven earths, seven heavens  The seven heavens  For the record, the seven heavens in Islam are: Rafi' [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] are some tidbits about the seven heavens according to Islamic tradition:  What about Seven Heavens? Islam 101 - seven earths, seven heavens  The seven heavens  For the record, the seven heavens in Islam are: Rafi&#8217; [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: nawabzadah shajee na</title>
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		<author>nawabzadah shajee na</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>what does seven heaven means?? in the Holy Qura an Rabul us samawathi wal urz is mentioned. from where you got the seven earth???
please emphasis on the seven heaven by scientific assertions</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what does seven heaven means?? in the Holy Qura an Rabul us samawathi wal urz is mentioned. from where you got the seven earth???<br />
please emphasis on the seven heaven by scientific assertions</p>
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		<title>By: M Khan</title>
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		<author>M Khan</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 17:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>From Maudi's Tafsir:
"Also their like” does not mean that He created as many earths as the heavens, but it means that He has also created several earths as He has created several heavens. "Of the earth- mean that just as this earth which is inhabited by man is serving as bed and cradle for the creatures living on it, so has Allah made and set other earths also in the universe, which serve as beds and cradles for the creatures living on them. Moreover, there arc clear pointers in the Qur'an to the effect that living creatures are not found only on the earth but also in the heavens. (For instance, see .Ash-Shura: 29 and E.N. SO on it). In other words! the countless stars and planets seen in the sky are not all lying desolate, but like the earth there are many among them which are inhabited. 

From among the earliest commentators Ibn 'Abbas is the one, who had expressed this truth in the period when man was not even prepared to imagine that in the universe there are other habitats also, apart from the earth, where rational creatures live. Even the scientists of today are yet in doubt about this being a reality, nothing to say of the people living 1500 years ago, That is why Ibn 'Abbas felt hesitant about whether he should say such a thing before the common people are not, because he feared it might affect their 'faith. Mujahid says that when he was asked the meaning of this verse, he said: "If I give you the commentary of this verse, you will turn disbelievers, and your disbelief will be that you will deny it." Almost the same thing has been related from Sa'id bin Jubair, saying; 'Ibn 'Abbas said: what can be the guarantee that if I tell you its meaning, you would not turn disbelievers?" (lbn Jarir, 'Abd bin Humaid). However, Ibn Jarir, Ibn Abi Hatim, Hakim and Baihaqi in Shu'ab al-Iman and Kitab al-Asma' was Sifat have cited, on the authority of Abud-Doha, this 'commentary from Ibn 'Abbas in different words: "In each of those earths there is a Prophet like your Prophet, an Adam like your Adam, a Noah like your Noah, an Abraham like your Abraham, and a Jesus like your Jesus." This tradition has been related by Ibn Hajar in Fath al-Bat and by Ibn Kathir in his Commentary, and Imam Dhahbi says: "It has been reported authentically, but in my knowledge none apart from Abud-Doha has related it; therefore, it is an uncommon and rare tradition." Some other scholars regard it as a falsehood and Mulla 'AIi; Qari, in his Maudu at Kabir (p. 19), has described it as a fabrication, and written: `Even if it is a tradition from Ibn 'Abbas, it is based on Israelite traditions." But the truth is that the actual reason why the people have rejected it is their regarding it as remote from reason and beyond understanding; otherwise there is nothing in it which may by itself be opposed to reason. Thus, 'Allama Alusi in his discussion of it in his commentary writes: "There is neither any intellectual barrier to taking it as correct nor religious. It only means that in every earth there is a creation which turns to its origin just as mankind in our earth turns to Adam (peace be upon him). and in every earth there are individuals, who are distinguished among others just as the Prophets Noah and Abraham (peace be upon them) are distinguished among us. " A little below the 'Allama writes: "The earths may be more than seven, and likewise the heavens also may not be only seven. To rest content with the number seven, which is an indivisible integer, does not necessarily negate the higher numbers." Then, about the distances between one heaven and another, which have been stated as five hundred years or so in some Ahadith. the 'Allama says: "This is not meant to give the exact measurement of the distances, but to express the truth in a manner easily comprehensible to the people."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Maudi&#8217;s Tafsir:<br />
&#8220;Also their like” does not mean that He created as many earths as the heavens, but it means that He has also created several earths as He has created several heavens. &#8220;Of the earth- mean that just as this earth which is inhabited by man is serving as bed and cradle for the creatures living on it, so has Allah made and set other earths also in the universe, which serve as beds and cradles for the creatures living on them. Moreover, there arc clear pointers in the Qur&#8217;an to the effect that living creatures are not found only on the earth but also in the heavens. (For instance, see .Ash-Shura: 29 and E.N. SO on it). In other words! the countless stars and planets seen in the sky are not all lying desolate, but like the earth there are many among them which are inhabited. </p>
<p>From among the earliest commentators Ibn &#8216;Abbas is the one, who had expressed this truth in the period when man was not even prepared to imagine that in the universe there are other habitats also, apart from the earth, where rational creatures live. Even the scientists of today are yet in doubt about this being a reality, nothing to say of the people living 1500 years ago, That is why Ibn &#8216;Abbas felt hesitant about whether he should say such a thing before the common people are not, because he feared it might affect their &#8216;faith. Mujahid says that when he was asked the meaning of this verse, he said: &#8220;If I give you the commentary of this verse, you will turn disbelievers, and your disbelief will be that you will deny it.&#8221; Almost the same thing has been related from Sa&#8217;id bin Jubair, saying; &#8216;Ibn &#8216;Abbas said: what can be the guarantee that if I tell you its meaning, you would not turn disbelievers?&#8221; (lbn Jarir, &#8216;Abd bin Humaid). However, Ibn Jarir, Ibn Abi Hatim, Hakim and Baihaqi in Shu&#8217;ab al-Iman and Kitab al-Asma&#8217; was Sifat have cited, on the authority of Abud-Doha, this &#8216;commentary from Ibn &#8216;Abbas in different words: &#8220;In each of those earths there is a Prophet like your Prophet, an Adam like your Adam, a Noah like your Noah, an Abraham like your Abraham, and a Jesus like your Jesus.&#8221; This tradition has been related by Ibn Hajar in Fath al-Bat and by Ibn Kathir in his Commentary, and Imam Dhahbi says: &#8220;It has been reported authentically, but in my knowledge none apart from Abud-Doha has related it; therefore, it is an uncommon and rare tradition.&#8221; Some other scholars regard it as a falsehood and Mulla &#8216;AIi; Qari, in his Maudu at Kabir (p. 19), has described it as a fabrication, and written: `Even if it is a tradition from Ibn &#8216;Abbas, it is based on Israelite traditions.&#8221; But the truth is that the actual reason why the people have rejected it is their regarding it as remote from reason and beyond understanding; otherwise there is nothing in it which may by itself be opposed to reason. Thus, &#8216;Allama Alusi in his discussion of it in his commentary writes: &#8220;There is neither any intellectual barrier to taking it as correct nor religious. It only means that in every earth there is a creation which turns to its origin just as mankind in our earth turns to Adam (peace be upon him). and in every earth there are individuals, who are distinguished among others just as the Prophets Noah and Abraham (peace be upon them) are distinguished among us. &#8221; A little below the &#8216;Allama writes: &#8220;The earths may be more than seven, and likewise the heavens also may not be only seven. To rest content with the number seven, which is an indivisible integer, does not necessarily negate the higher numbers.&#8221; Then, about the distances between one heaven and another, which have been stated as five hundred years or so in some Ahadith. the &#8216;Allama says: &#8220;This is not meant to give the exact measurement of the distances, but to express the truth in a manner easily comprehensible to the people.&#8221;</p>
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